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Will calorie restricted diets help us live forever?

JPL — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:06:49 +0000

As a nerd, I like the idea of reading science news. Unfortunately, science coverage in the general interest press is almost uniformly awful. There are a lot of reasons for this: reporters can’t possibly be current in every area of science (and in fact are probably not current in any of them), editors don’t seem to think the general public is interested in science except as it immediately applies to their lives (and they’re probably right), and the process of writing a science news article is like a giant game of password. When you read a story in a newspaper, what you’re reading is an article summarizing a press release summarizing a journal article summarizing a study. Clearly, information is lost, distorted, and spontaneously generated at every step of that process, so what you see in the newspaper often bears little resemblance to what was actually done. Some amount of that distortion is deliberate: Scientists try to make the data tell a story, the journal’s marketers try to write a press release that will get the journal’s name in papers around the country, the journalist tries to write a story that will get printed, and the editor tries to shape it into something he thinks will sell papers (or magazines, or page views, or whatever).

This rant was brought on by a story in today’s L.A. Times called “Permanent diet may equal longer life“. It’s about a 20-year longtudinal study of reduced calorie (RC) diets in Rhesus macaques (n=76). As you can guess from the title, the angle is that reduced calorie diets can help humans live longer. They don’t take any time getting there, here’s the first graph (thanks to The Wire, I can throw newsroom slang around like a seasoned pro):

For a country in which roughly 200 million people are overweight or obese, scientists today have discouraging news: Even those who maintain a healthy weight probably should be eating less.

In the second we get “It has been shown to significantly extend the lives of yeast, worms, flies, spiders, fish, mice and rats” followed by

“It adds to the evidence piling up that caloric restriction, independent of thinness, is a healthy way to stay alive and healthy longer,” said Susan Roberts of the Human Nutrition Research Center on Aging at Tufts University, who wasn’t involved in the study. “Less diseases in old age has to be something most everyone wants.”

and then “Mild caloric restriction is beneficial to everybody,” said Dr. Luigi Fontana, a medical professor at Washington University in St. Louis.” Oh man, I want to live longer, how do I cut my own calories!?! That question is answered, and the answer is followed by a competent summary of the study’s methodology. But wait a minute… for those who are still reading, the fifth graph from the end, after the jump, finally comes clean with

It also isn’t clear whether caloric restriction would extend human lives by very much, Phelan said. … He calculated that reducing intake by 35% would extend the human life span by just two years.

Huh, but I don’t understand, calorie restriction is going to make me live longer, and prevent heart disease, cancer, and diabetes! It’s going to improve my brain health! Except it’s not. The study doesn’t support any such conclusions about human health. I became convinced of that when I checked out the lovely inset graphic. If I count those dots correctly, 16 of the control group monkeys got diabetes during the study period. That’s almost half of the group (the text of the journal article reveals that most of those actually have pre-diabetes, for which they received medical treatment). Maybe what’s actually happening here is that the diet they feed the monkeys, referred to in the story as “lab chow”, is actually really bad for them. The comparison to human nutrition that the Times story wants to imply rests on the assumption that the control regime is somehow equivalent to a typical human diet. Instead monkey chow*, like most pet food, is a cereal made from the castoffs of human food processing, designed to have low cost and a long shelf life. All the stuff you can read about it being “scientifically formulated” and “nutritionally balanced” really just means that it has enough micronutrients (vitamins, minerals, etc.) so that the monkeys won’t get any of the deficiency diseases (that we know about), and that it’s balance of macronutrients (fat, protein, carbohydrates) falls within the nutritional consensus. Of course, we’ve known for a long time that nutrition is much more complicated that keeping fat low and getting enough B12.

I should note here that this story is also a summing-up of a lot of prior research on reduced calorie diets, which has been an ongoing area of research since about 1935. This study is far from the only one on which to base claims that such a diet would benefit from humans, but it doesn’t seem to make nearly as strong a contribution to that argument as the story wants to claim.

*The study does not indicate what food was fed to the monkeys, presumably they made at least the reduced calorie formulation themselves. All they say is “Animals in this study are fed a semipurified, nutritionally fortified, low fat diet containing 15% protein and 10% fat.”

Public Library of Science articles in the news

rog — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:44:17 +0000

The PLoS, http://www.plos.org/, In the News sections always has an interesting collection of articles to peruse. Yeah, it’s mostly biology based, but where else can you get Habsburg Inbreeding, Chimp Meat-Sex Barter, and Red Faced Drinkers?

PLoS journal articles currently receiving widespread media attention: Silent Heart Attacks, Spanish Habsburg Dynasty Inbreeding, Semantic Enhancement of PLoS Content, Sound Amplification, Bird Flu, Evolution-Proof Malaria Insecticide, Sub-Groups of Neanderthal Population, Chimpanzees Trade Meat for Sex, Back Pain Evaluation, Pancreatic Cancer Biomarkers, Reducing Amazon Fires, Breakthrough Against Malaria, Drinkers’ Red Faces and Cancer Risk, Romanov DNA, Map of Science, UV Light and TB Spread, and Herpes Virus Reactivation.

Michael Roston does not know the difference between Google Hot Trends and most popular searches overall

rog — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:10:04 +0000

Over on True/Slant, Michael Roston opines:

Read it and weep, Internet-using America. The fifth most common search on Google earlier this morning, via Google Trends, was ’swine flue.’ Not ‘flu’ as in influenza, but ‘flue’

Hmmm. I guess he doesn’t understand the difference between Google Hot Trends and Google’s most popular searches overall. From their FAQ:

Hot Trends reflects what people are searching for on Google today. Rather than showing the most popular searches overall, which would always be generic terms like ‘weather,’ Hot Trends highlights searches that experience sudden surges in popularity, and updates that information hourly.

For the actual comparison of flu to flue, look here: http://www.google.com/trends?q=swine+flu%2C+swine+flue&ctab=0

It’s about 1.00 to 0 with flu in the lead.

What’s in a name?

rog — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:15:48 +0000

This article reminded me of the chapter in Freakanomics that talks about naming kids, race and socioeconomic success. And there have been a boatload of older studies about resumes with distinctly black names not getting callbacks for interviews. So, imagine if Obama was only able to submit his resume (which is admittedly thin) and never be seen. He wouldn’t have been able to use his superior marketing, organizational efforts and silver tongue to get elected. Also, we never would’ve known he was a light skinned black and not a dark skinned black. (Btw, I never realized until now that that was Julian Bond interviewing Garret Morris in that skit.) Most voters would’ve only seen his resume and recoiled at his decidedly African and Arabic name. But in reality, nobody did that…

Melamine tableware

rog — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:57:53 +0000

I walked into my neighborhood drugstore yesterday and was greeted by a melamine tableware endcap.

e.g. http://www.alibaba.com/catalog/11037899/Melamine_Tableware.html

People want to put their food on plates made out of melamine?! Apparently it polymerizes too (when combined with formaldehyde, how appropriate). Who knew?

Changes

rog — Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:39:43 +0000

“And although it seems heaven sent we aint ready, to see a black president, uhh”

-Tupac Shakur

I totally agreed with Tupac when this song came out, and even as recently as a year ago. Maybe even a few months ago. But today I voted for Obama and so did millions others. And he won. Amazing. It’s truly historic, I don’t know what else to say…

Somebody is buying interesting ads on political sites

rog — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:12:20 +0000

So, I was over on the awesome polling and statistics site, fivethirtyeight.com and on their main page, I was greeted by the following ad:

Not your typical fivethirtyeight.com ad, but with the election less than a week away, maybe some will try anything to change the outcome.

Here’s the full webpage screenshot scaled down:

Current fave tracks (of the moment)

rog — Tue, 30 Sep 2008 06:33:23 +0000

Sex on Fire - Kings of Leon , great song

The ‘59 Sound - Gaslight Anthem

Love Is Noise - The Verve, William Blake paraphrased over a Tomorrow Never Knows backdrop. so awesome.

Human - The Killers , released today and even an average Killers track is still pretty freaking good

Play Your Part (Pt. 1) - Girl Talk, great mashup, this dude is a genius

Bruises - Chairlift , low-fi Postal Service duet material

Time to Pretend - MGMT, “I’m feeling rough, I’m feeling raw, I’m in the prime of my life.”

Kelsey - Metro Station

Walcott - Vampire Weekend

Make Your Own Kind of Music - Mama Cass

Famous Blue Raincoat - Leonard Cohen

Fidelity - Regina Spektor, saw her open a concert in 2005, didn’t appreciate it at the time…

Pretty in Pink - Purplespace

Head of Skate

rog — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 15:03:22 +0000

Awesome fake trailer for a Disney “hocky mom as VP” feel good hit of the year:

See more funny videos and funny pictures at CollegeHumor.

First Presidential Debate 2008, Lehrer/McCain/Obama Live Chat/Blog

rog — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 05:15:28 +0000

8:58 PM tbone pikkens: i am 8 tabling
gonna be hard to stay involved
RZA: dude
sit out
8:59 PM i have cnn on
they have a counter
37 seconds!
9:00 PM the crisis
what channel do you have on?
9:02 PM tbone pikkens: cnbc
RZA: jesus christ
they still have the ticker going on
at the bottom
9:03 PM i can’t stand that
switiching back
wonder if O feels like a dick there
for raising his arm so high
bam
right off to economy
(Ed: there’s a lot more)

9:04 PM cnn
has an audience reaction meter
at bottom
9:05 PM whoa
“if and when the market returns”
golden parachutes
9:06 PM senator kennedy shout out by MC
9:09 PM E-dawg: hi
RZA: hey
we are live chatting
the debate
sorta
tbone is playing poker
E-dawg: yes
I see
RZA: while occasionalyy prophesizing doom
9:10 PM E-dawg: I’m covering the PBS angle
RZA: word
E-dawg: they have no graphics
RZA: it’s prolly better
yeah
E-dawg: hey
there also using words with more syllables in the PBS version!
9:11 PM I missed the first few mins
so is it all going to be domestic?
RZA: no
this is foreign policy one
but global criis
E-dawg: good
RZA: is foreign
9:12 PM E-dawg: what’s with this moderator?
RZA: lol
E-dawg: I know who he is
RZA: really
?
obama was funny
mc was too a bit
9:13 PM E-dawg: I just mean, why is he telling O to talk to McC
RZA: yeah
boost the ratings
lol
9:13
timestamping vs. points
for refernce
his left eye looks ok
which is good
9:14 PM E-dawg: we’re the greatest improrter!
yeah!
RZA: he doesn’ seem as depressed
E-dawg: do you know
Japan now has a trade DEFICIT
unbelievable
RZA: nice
no, didn’t know that
9:15 PM E-dawg: refers to Great Society
like anyone will know what that is
RZA: i’m sure china is importing tons of stuff
“gateway durg” nice
E-dawg: yeah, too bad that whole concept is BS
RZA: mccain is anti DNA!!!!
E-dawg: ?
RZA: the bear dna montana study
he reference
9:16 PM d
E-dawg: odf
oh
RZA: lol
O is so clean!
says O!
9:17 PM they will talk about money
E-dawg: yeah, O is spouting too many figures
RZA: for 20 minutes prolly
and then talk about bomb bomb bomb iran
well
E-dawg: McC is talking in slogans and colorful images
i.e. McC is “winning”
RZA: that is so that people say he is too vauge
can’s say it anymore
word
O needs to get emotional
9:18 PM E-dawg: yeah, being specific
isn’t any good if people can’t process the specifics
RZA: man
hearing these guys
Palin is gonna be toast
E-dawg: dude
RZA: back shot of MC
9:19 PM E-dawg: McC said “Ms. Congeniality”
RZA: i didn’t see a backpack
haven’t seen O’s back
yes
E-dawg: so far
just listening to the speaking styles, not the content
RZA: PBS has such shitty video quality
E-dawg: McC has better flow and cadence
really
let me try another channel
9:20 PM RZA: O’s tie is vibrating
cuz of the cam. resoluaiont
rez
lehrer is acting like a marriage counselour
this is hilarous
“respond to him directly!”
E-dawg: yeah, it’s weird
9:21 PM RZA: i like it
adds to the comedy
The Revolution Will Be Comedified!
E-dawg: I have some other stuff to do
I will wander back
RZA: 2000 what?
E-dawg: when they start talking about foreign policy
RZA: i wasn’t paying attention
932 million of pork barrel
too many number
9:22 PM back of O shot
no backpack
it’s a backpackless debate!
9:21
tbone pikkens: obama is getting slaughtered
E-dawg: he’s not doing well, so far
+
RZA: how is he getting slaughtered?
9:23 PM E-dawg: slaughtered is an exaggeration
RZA: dude, it’s all about whichever 2 soundbites
make it out into the AP articles
tbone is playing poker
disregard him
E-dawg: hah
RZA: 9:23
9:24 PM E-dawg: McC overrode moderator
RZA: walking the walk
talking the talk
points to MC
for taking charge
I”M VOTING FOR MCCAIN!!!!
O interrupted with aside
but i didn’t ehar it
MC up by a touchdown!
MC has a weird tie on
9:25 PM E-dawg: I dont’ get it
RZA: but O’s has that weird moire pattern
lehrer
is lvoing this
cuz now they are mixing it up
E-dawg: why isn’t Obama bringing up McC’s record
RZA: that’s why he let MC railroad him
E-dawg: guy’s been in the senate for 20 years
RZA: yes
E-dawg: one of the keating 5 for god’s sake
9:26 PM RZA: 9:26
9:27 PM first michigan and ohio mention
9:28 PM first CHINA mention!
taikonauts
BROADBAND!!
lol
going for the rural broadband vote
that is awesome
that’s 10 more votes
9:29 PM E-dawg: how the hell could Obama have the most liberal voting record
RZA: NO TO ETHANOL SUBSIDIES!!!
E-dawg: more liberal than Kennedy?
RZA: he was for 2006
but in 2007
he went way center
it’s on e-v.com
E-dawg: yeah, well it’s subjective to some extent
RZA: 9:29
9:30 PM it’s those diff. rating orgs
and they avg them
yes, very subj
but it’s a metric
of some sort
and correlates well
with CW
conv. wisdowm
9:31 PM lehrer is pissed
he wants specifics
E-dawg: why the hell does O keep saying “John’s right!”
RZA: first time O says “john’s right”
oh
E-dawg: no, at least the 2nd
RZA: guess not first time
E-dawg: maybe not that exact word
but I think I heard it before
anyway, he’s coming off as way less aggressive
9:32 PM RZA: “wildly liberal”
E-dawg: maybe that’s bad
or maybe good
RZA: well
we don’t want angry black man
E-dawg: yeah, it cuts both ways, definitely
tbone pikkens: google for govt
jeezus
RZA: lol
yeah
that did make me laugh
9:33 PM spending freeze!
FREEZE
SE BUSCA FREEZE!!!
E-dawg: except defense
tbone pikkens: mcbrain
RZA: first FREEZE mention!!!!
tbone pikkens: what an idiot
E-dawg: and entitlements
RZA: lol
E-dawg: and something else which I forget
or didn’t hear
RZA: “hatchet instead of scalpel”
that was a great line
E-dawg: that was his first decent line
RZA: veterans
yah
E-dawg: “and all that”
RZA: wow
9:34 PM E-dawg: yeah, all those namby pamby liberal alt energy BS thigns
RZA: he rolled off like 6 energy technologies
in about 4 seconds
E-dawg: and dismissed them
RZA: lol
NUCLEAR
NOT NUCULAR
he got it right
E-dawg: cool
got my vote
RZA: points to MC
MC is coming off really good
on an emotional level
E-dawg: yes
RZA: i almost want to vote for him
tbone pikkens: my financial crisis is over
i just won a $20 pot
RZA: but then my brain fires up
9:35 PM lol
nice
E-dawg: yeah, so eliminate that brain
E-dawg: and now you have a cross-section of the American public
RZA: when will the Austrian school come up?
E-dawg: hah
RZA: and mccain can bust out his Hayek knowledge
9:36 PM E-dawg: around the time Hell freezes over?
no one’s going to bring up Austrians
RZA: AHNULD?
E-dawg: well, remember the last time a faltering empire let an Austrian take over
9:37 PM RZA: california?
9:36
those arm movements of mccain
bug me
hate to say it
too bad connie chung isn’t the moderator
MC would let a “gook” slip, you know it
9:38 PM tbone pikkens: ORGY!
RZA: lol
FIRST ORGY MENTION
THE BLACK MAN IS SEXUALLY PREDATORING
2nd ms. congeniality mention
Sandra Bulluck vote?
E-dawg: calls himself a maverick
RZA: MAVERICK!!!!
9:39 PM E-dawg: ok, fainlly
RZA: vietnam!
iraq
9:38
E-dawg: finally some frickin foreign policy
9:40 PM this is probably the longest time I have ever listened to McC
I can see why he’s gotten as far as he has
9:42 PM RZA: O: “never hestitate”
trying to win over some hawks
9:44 PM first Biden mentoin
E-dawg: I don’t know
maybe it’s just me
RZA: go delaware!
E-dawg: as much as I hate McC
RZA: “senate inside baseball”
E-dawg: he seems to be wiping the floor with Obama
RZA: yeah, obama isn’t as great a debater
as he is a speech giver
E-dawg: Obama seems to be afraid to land a blow
9:45 PM RZA: he going at him now
E-dawg: finally he is
and he stumbled
RZA: shia / sunni mention
E-dawg: he gives an impression of being intimidated
and McC comes across as smug and dismissive
9:46 PM yeah, I remember the Dem debates
Obama was not impressive there either
but it seems that he is even worse here
9:48 PM he is just constantly on the defensive
RZA: i need a beer
yeah
E-dawg: yeah, it’s pretty bad
RZA: beer #2!
9:49 PM on the cnn audience reaction though
they are about even
with maybe MC a slight edge
E-dawg: self selection
more liberals tune in to CNN
RZA: oh
i don’t know how it works
E-dawg: I told you
RZA: i guess it’s on a website
E-dawg: that Obama saying
9:50 PM RZA: u did ?
E-dawg: the surge worked
was a terrible mistkae
I think I told you
anyway I said it to a lot of people
RZA: O is just happy
tbone pikkens: obama is getting crushed
RZA: to move on
E-dawg: now I do agree
tbone pikkens: its getting ugly
RZA: dude
9:51 PM like i said
it’ll be
E-dawg: it’s interesting to see
RZA: the 2-3 soundbites
E-dawg: no matter how bad things get
RZA: that make it into the repititionsphere
E-dawg: the Dems can still lose a debate
RZA: lol
lol
AQ greatest threat??!?!?
9:52 PM how about pakistan or russia or china?
E-dawg: dude, it’s all mythology
RZA: POPPY TRADE!!!!
E-dawg: the Dems have to stick to their mythology
RZA: i know
E-dawg: he knows OBL is dead
or living in a house in Qetta, Pakistan
RZA: i’m waiting for McCain’s out of the box debate move
9:53 PM E-dawg: uhhh
RZA: I”M SUSPENDING THIS DEBATE!!!!
E-dawg: I think it’s time for Obama to make an out of the box move
RZA: obama is too much lawyer at times
mccain is naval aviator
9:54 PM tbone pikkens: this is a blood bath
RZA: lol
ALEXANDER THE GREAT!!!
WAZIRISTAN!!!!
E-dawg: yeah, he got a few words
RZA: man, palin would be blown away
E-dawg: well, she’s going to debate Biden
she can learn a few words under pressure too
RZA: he knows waziristan
don’t front on Biden

E-dawg: well, he’s going to win
9:55 PM I’m just sayin
RZA: he won’t shut up about petraeus
word
E-dawg: just every single question
Obama lets McC set the terms
and is on the defensive
9:56 PM did O put ANY thought into this beforehand
RZA: YES!!!
tbone pikkens: BOOM!
BOOM!
E-dawg: McC right again
tbone pikkens: BOOM!
RZA: sung songs about bombing iran
that is awesome
lol
E-dawg: to us it is
but he has to be way, way more dogged
RZA: i don’t think pbs
uses split screen enough
E-dawg: for people at home
RZA: cnn is aobutl the split
9:57 PM E-dawg: who don’t follow stuff obsessively
to get his point
he’s too understated
ahhh
here we go….
RZA: lol
E-dawg: (I’m watching CBS now btw)
RZA: this business about bombing iran
9:58 PM LEBANON!
Taleb
would love this
E-dawg: yeah, first time Obama got McC on the slight defensive
tbone pikkens: ok
i shut down poker
E-dawg: this is a huge irrelevant digression
RZA: coo
tbone pikkens: x is ready to comment
E-dawg: he supported some bloody interventions
tbone pikkens: on the festivities
E-dawg: and opposed others
RZA: somalia? what’s that
that is ancient history
9:59 PM E-dawg: exactly
RZA: lol
tbone pikkens: mcbrain is doing a great job
of making shit up
E-dawg: yeah
tbone pikkens: and he is winning this
RZA: NEW HAMPSHIRE!!!
tbone pikkens: despite that great one liner
RZA: LIVE FREE OR DIE!!!!
tbone pikkens: and the use of orgy
RZA: lol
tbone pikkens: btw
i just picked up $16
after losing $15
$30 swing
E-dawg: well
I don’t think this talk about dead sons
10:00 PM is a great move
RZA: whoa
E-dawg: it might fire up the base
RZA: is this almost over?
tbone pikkens: yes
RZA: 1 minute?
tbone pikkens: it doesnt matter to me
RZA: 9:59
tbone pikkens: but it will to the base
RZA: wild
tbone pikkens: i have a bracelet
E-dawg: but it is not going to be popular among the independents
tbone pikkens: on my cawk
E-dawg: ?
tbone pikkens: cawk ring
RZA: lol
10:01 PM tbone pikkens: x is here
to bring cutting edge
commentary
E-dawg: Oama is also full of shit
stamp out the Taliban?
10:02 PM good luck!
tbone pikkens: word
E-dawg: want to kill 18mil. Pashtun?
10:03 PM what this is only 1 hour?
RZA: oh
tbone pikkens: how long is it?
RZA: how long is this?
90 minutes?
E-dawg: haha
maybe
tbone pikkens: mine is 8 inches
RZA: lol
yeah, right
tbone pikkens: good point
u are winning the debate
RZA: with or without flap?
E-dawg: ha
10:04 PM ah, the League of Democracies
tbone pikkens: i am out of beer
RZA: i boght a 12 pack
of busch
brb
10:04
tbone pikkens: which of these
E-dawg: brb too
tbone pikkens: guys is going to
10:05 PM help me get beer
E-dawg: McC
obviously
tbone pikkens: nice
E-dawg: all Obama is going to do is Organize your Community
tbone pikkens: he is getting killed
he cant handle foreign policy
10:06 PM RZA: yeah
his audience meter right now
is barely above midline
E-dawg: well Obama is lying now
tbone pikkens: where is that?
10:07 PM E-dawg: we’ve sponsored more terrorism in Iran
RZA: cnn
has a aud. meter
E-dawg: than they’ve sponsored against us
the latter being 0
RZA: and btw
it has 3 lines
GOP, DEM, and IND
it’s pretty cool
E-dawg: yeah, let’s hope Obama does better on domestic
the timing sucks
tbone pikkens: ;oml
E-dawg: this would have been a great time for Obama to romp over McC in domestic policy
tbone pikkens: link
link
10:08 PM RZA: tv
cnn
tbone pikkens: LOL
RZA: lol
tbone pikkens: LOLOL
RZA: LOL
that was aweosme
tbone pikkens: his eyes almost popped out
RZA: AHCKMEDIDNEJAD
that is going in my video mashup
LOL
10:09 PM tbone pikkens: with glass jaw joe?
RZA: i had a point
about how
MC is makinng this whole debate about O’s bleiefs
he has a great gameplan
prediction:
Obama will have backpack for next debate
tbone pikkens: i guess
but this is a disaster
10:10 PM E-dawg: well
tbone pikkens: my tv is so crappy
E-dawg: you can’t accept all the warmongers presuppositions
tbone pikkens: i cant tell what color the lines are
E-dawg: and lies
and then expect to win the debate with them
virtually everything that has been said is a lie
by both of them
RZA: ok, hippy!
tbone pikkens: i lied also
E-dawg: but it is forbidden to question those lies in the US press
tbone pikkens: about my cawk size
10:11 PM but that was in the heat of debate
RZA: lol
E-dawg: well, see
RZA questioned it
tbone pikkens: word
RZA: lol
tbone pikkens: good point
RZA should be in the media
RZA: i fact checked it
E-dawg: what does wikileaks say?
tbone pikkens: primary research or secondary?
RZA: flaccid or turgid
it was a lie
E-dawg: errr…never mind
RZA: wikileaks on x the cawk size
10:12 PM lol
tbone pikkens: secondary i hope
RZA: tbone doesn’t forget , he doest forgive, he has over 9000 inches and they’re all stamping on full tilt
DR KISSINGER
tbone pikkens: a seal?
10:13 PM RZA: yeah
prez seal
it’s like a stamp
tbone pikkens: nice
you’ve been stamped!
RZA: his arm
so weir
d
i’d be more comfortalbe
if he just kept arms low
poor guy
HEIGHT OF KOREANS!!!!
10:14 PM tbone pikkens: ilbung
RZA: DEAR LEADER!!!!
this is aweomse
i just IMed il bung
tbone pikkens: i almost did
RZA: RZA: dood
u watching this
height of koreans just came up
no response
E-dawg: y
RZA: e-dawg

10:15 PM E-dawg: I had to defend a corncob
RZA: were you checking wikileaks?
E-dawg: from my cat
RZA: corncob
tbone pikkens: lol
RZA: nice
is that your name for it
tbone pikkens: sounds like a wild night
in minnesota
LOL
RZA: dood
mccain
is jumping all over him
tbone pikkens: he is treating him like a kid
and its working
E-dawg: yeah, this is a disaster
10:16 PM yeah, every answer is like
RZA: PUTIN!!!!!
E-dawg: this guy is such a rube
RZA: her comes putin!!!
Medvedev
E-dawg: I have expereicne,
blah blah
why doesn’t Obama say, why did you pick someone who knows NOTHING as VP THEN?
tbone pikkens: barak is gettinb annoyed
RZA: yes
10:17 PM yeah
he should
tbone pikkens: i have never seen him flustsered b4
E-dawg: he’s doing ok
when he is speaking on his own
10:18 PM but he can’t handle the brawling
tbone pikkens: yep
RZA: word
tbone pikkens: mcbrain jumps all over him
RZA gets excited
when that happens
man love
RZA: naivete
tbone pikkens: boom
E-dawg: petrodolalrs?
10:19 PM RZA: PETRODOLLARS
E-dawg: KGB!
RZA: nice
lol
oh man
E-dawg: who the hell remembers that?
RZA: mccain has better writers
tbone pikkens: i dont know
E-dawg: what about the NKVD?
OGPU?
RZA: dude
E-dawg: I think the Czarist sectret police
RZA: kgb is still the one people know
E-dawg: are after me!
RZA: CHECKA
10:20 PM shakasvillk
is he gonna say it
“WE ARE ALL GEORGIANS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
E-dawg: I was talking to an Azeri today
tbone pikkens: altanta?
E-dawg: not Gary Kasparov though
gary’s brother
he said Aliyev
tbone pikkens: PUT YOUR ARM DOWN
10:21 PM E-dawg: is just pretending to be a US ally
RZA: lol
E-dawg: and that he went to Moscow right after Cheney left
RZA: i know the hand/arm weirds me out
Aliyev?
who is that
E-dawg: the pres. of Azer.
RZA: <—– dumb american
ok
10:22 PM who is armenia
i’m going to turkey
E-dawg: dont’ know
RZA: so i need to remembe rthat i hate that guy
ok
E-dawg: I’m not sure if they have a dictator
Aliyev is a dictator
who is the son of the previous dictator
i.e. it is a
already dynastic
10:23 PM RZA: dude this is so awesome
that oil is getting play
even if it sucks
m. king hubbert gonna come up?
10:24 PM tbone pikkens: clean colon
E-dawg: he has said some variance
of John and I agree
variant
of that at least 10 times
re-using walk the walk
RZA: pain at the pump
dude
10:25 PM obama can never interrupt
mccain
he’s too weak
E-dawg: yeah, this is terrible
shit
McC shut him down
10:26 PM RZA: wow
tbone pikkens: yeah
RZA: he gave up there
tbone pikkens: disaster
RZA: that is sad
tbone pikkens: total disaster
E-dawg: he is throwing hte debate
tbone pikkens: mcbrain’s head almost popped off
right there
he started bobbing
RZA: lol
10:27 PM E-dawg: at least people don’t give a f*** about foreing policy
RZA: obama was a wimp tonight
bowing to the massah
E-dawg: maybe McC did just pull the whole stund
stunt
in order to
draw more attention to the debate
10:28 PM RZA: could be
E-dawg: ’cause he figured he do well in foreign policy
I think the 538 people speculated that
RZA: i think they’d love it either way
if it gets pos. reaction
psotpone it
and boom, no vp debate
if not, get more people to tune in
10:29 PM and watch it
E-dawg: yeah
RZA: i think obama should’ve made a joke about it
in the beginning
“glad you decided to make it, john”
something like that
tbone pikkens: yeah
that would have ruled
10:30 PM E-dawg: finally
Obama is talking about the US standing in teh world
but of course
RZA: BUT MCCAIN VOTED FOR TORTURE!!!!
E-dawg: he interrupts it by giving credit to McC
where credit isn’t deserved
see
the mythology is so powerful
RZA: is this two hours?
yeah
10:31 PM E-dawg: god I hope not
RZA: independtes
E-dawg: thirty more minutes of bloodletting
RZA: dropping on ccnn
dood
tbone pikkens: i think obama needs to say
RZA: indies hate this
tbone pikkens: he is needed in dc
and should run off stage
RZA: word
tbone pikkens: or challenge mcbrain to an arm wrestling contest
E-dawg: lol
10:32 PM nice
RZA: lol
tbone pikkens: “LET’S WRESTLE FOR IT!”
RZA: or play a game of horse
tbone pikkens: lol
E-dawg: what the hell
RZA: LATIN AMERICA!!!
tbone pikkens: SI!
E-dawg: China is investing in African mining
RZA: any evo morales mention today?
10:33 PM tbone pikkens: no todavia
E-dawg: let’s pull the troops out of Iraq
so we can put them in Zambia
and throw those Chinese mining experts out
this is frustrating
as I expected
tbone pikkens: they are not talking about anything that matters
RZA: obama was doing good there htough
tbone pikkens: that is why they should arm wrestle
RZA: nothingness rules
10:34 PM E-dawg: well
RZA: BRING UP PALIN
tbone pikkens: BOOM!
RZA: experience
PALIN
mention paln
E-dawg: he won’t
RZA: palin
tbone pikkens: CRUSHING
E-dawg: doesn’t want to get uppity
RZA: SURGE SURGE SURGE ALL THE TIME 24 HOURS SURGE
10:35 PM tbone pikkens: i surged
last week
it was great
E-dawg: peace?!
ok…
now’s the time…
if he’s ever going to say Palin
tbone pikkens: he should
i agree
E-dawg: nope
RZA: KENYA DIG IT?!?!?!?!
E-dawg: now they’re just making speeches
10:36 PM inspirational bs
tbone pikkens: was he tupac?
E-dawg: just going on Foreign Policy
even I would vote for McC
RZA: PRISON?!?!?
E-dawg: might as well have the real deal imperialist
RZA: he’s a felon!!1
10:37 PM E-dawg: thank god…
it’s over
tbone pikkens: vp debate
E-dawg: might as well have the real deal than a weak-tea apoligst
tbone pikkens: LOL
E-dawg: apoligist
tbone pikkens: LOL
vp debate
E-dawg: yeah…
tbone pikkens: that will be a joke
RZA: good job john?